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Message-ID: <CAD0jYq_MWZ0=Pz7s8Y-yN_9s3sL0424PAKN+5_a7ePqeXUZLUQ@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:21:19 +0200 From: pierzi <pierzi@...il.com> To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com Subject: incremental question Hello Dear JTR users I got little question about incremental mode. While running it john puts entries about expanding tables for desired length to character count to john.log/session.log More or less it looks like this: 0:02:48:42 - Expanding tables for length 8 to character count 22 0:02:48:42 - Trying length 8, fixed @3, character count 22 0:03:00:18 - Trying length 8, fixed @6, character count 21 0:03:07:31 - Trying length 8, fixed @7, character count 21 0:03:14:24 - Trying length 8, fixed @2, character count 21 0:03:23:10 - Trying length 8, fixed @5, character count 21 0:03:30:45 - Trying length 8, fixed @8, character count 21 0:03:37:22 - Trying length 8, fixed @4, character count 22 0:03:48:28 - Trying length 8, fixed @1, character count 22 0:04:01:13 - Trying length 8, fixed @6, character count 22 0:04:11:20 - Trying length 8, fixed @7, character count 22 0:04:21:00 - Trying length 8, fixed @5, character count 22 0:04:31:35 - Trying length 8, fixed @8, character count 22 So as far as I understand this means that incremental mode doesn't use entire character count for desired mode at start (36 for alnum in my case), it' simply expanding it one by one? Correct me if I'm wrong about it please. Now i know that this is method is probably based on some statistics and it's probably good for non-random generated passwords. But using it with random-generated passwords like: 9amxpgdr e9naioai fn0sceur j0nkae0n kuuhr9fw m0d9npwc qwrn9ssm tbpo9gtx vnnxjnen xaf0fkpj john needs expand character count to 36 to crack all of them (or course if a=1 and 0=36) ...Now wouldn't be faster to start incremental mode with char. count=36 at start? Is it even possible to do it? Thanks in advance for any help with this Best regards Bartosz
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