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Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 22:49:41 +0200
From: magnum <john.magnum@...hmail.com>
To: john-users@...ts.openwall.com
Subject: Re: Can Excessive Rounds make Password cracking Infeasable
On 05/24/2012 08:06 PM, Brad Tilley wrote:
> When do rounds make password cracking infeasible, or do they? For
> example, the hash below is a SHA-512 hash with 391939 rounds applied.
> You can actually feel the delay at logon (about 2 seconds on newer
> machines):
>
> test:$6$rounds=391939$UqhsyLSZ$F/K1CGpBf9yefYXCRbY5uK/LW1HzW8EiPCzdq8PMVvZ4JLhb4F464ps87MX/YwYEI0s62KIsnZBuCt45a.A4I0:1002:1002::/home/test:/bin/sh
>
> So long as the passwords are sufficiently complex and users can't select
> simple words such as 'password' for their password, I would think that
> these hashes are close to un-crackable (certainly not in a reasonable time
> period anyway). What do other John users think?
As others pointed out there are reasons the default rounds figure is not
higher. I can imagine if just *some* or even only one hash had a much
higher round, I would get more interested in those. OTOH this could be
used to fool attackers (using a couple of impossible passwords with a
very high rounds figure) to waste resources on dummy accounts.
FWIW, some very quick tests on Solar's test gear with the hash above:
CPU (8 cores): 4.75 c/s
GTX580: 4300 c/s
HD7970: 6000 c/s
So while the CPU speed is hopeless, using high-end GPU's the speed is
not that bad.
magnum
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