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Message-ID: <2BA688D0AC864D3B83C9ACFC34A3BF76@ath64dual>
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:27:21 -0500
From: "JimF" <jfoug@....net>
To: <john-users@...ts.openwall.com>
Subject: Re: Thoughts and questions on creation of a 'generic' MD5 hash set format (to handle 'all' of them)
From: "SL" <auditor@...chat.de>
> $u is supposed to be the username, right?
> $s2 is something like a static, systemwide key (like the syskey in
> Windows SAM).
>
> Whatever I have encountered so far is on your list already. Good Job.
>
> In handling, I see not much difference between $u and $s2 (or $k or
> whatever). But I agree to the path of 'reserving' such expressions.
There was an eariler reply of:
>md5(md5(md5($p).$s).$s2) with $s2 being a secondary salt.
So my assumption, was that there would be a format with 2 salts in it. And
yes, the $u (in my 'simple' syntax), would be $user or the user ID for this
user. The user id I know 'can' be obtained, as it is within the database
structures in memory when John is running (not sure if -save-memory keeps
the user id out of memory). I would think the second salt would have to
somehow be 'found' within the hash's data, but I have not laid out just how
to do that yet, as I am not sure exactly how it is being 'used' in the field
(i.e. I have no example input data to test against).
I got about 1/2 done last night implementing the expressions, checking that
they 'worked' (at least that the validation data ran properly). However,
today I have to spend most of my time on a 'honey-do' list. Meaning the
woman is on the rampage to get little projects finished around the house,
lol
Jim.
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